Hopefully everyone enjoyed the Passing Notes Activity for Chapters 31-40. I know I did! Please take a moment and look over your original Passing Notes Sheet. Read through the comments and think about the following questions for your blog post this week. Please BE SURE to include the quote and chapter number somewhere in your response.
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- Does the quote show any or all of the following and please name it as such?
- Character development (static, flat, dynamic, round) Is the character changing and if so, how?
- A Particular Theme or Themes--How is it/they being developed through this quote?
- Conflict--name what it is and who it involves (internal/external) and explain it
- Setting--any significance of the setting?
- Anything else that you would like to comment on
- DEVELOP A THOUGHT PROVOKING QUESTION BASED ON YOUR QUOTE. ASK IT AT THE END OF YOUR COMMENT.
- Students may use your question to comment on
- Your link to technology this week MAY be a link to a picture of the passing notes activity sheet; however, it doesn't have to be that!
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ReplyDelete“I relinquished the intention he detected, for I knew him! Even yet I could not recall a single feature, but I knew him!”
I think this quote shows not only the feeling Pip gets when he sees this man, but also him getting a sense of deja vu. We later find out this man to be the convict, Pip’s convict, Magwitch. Magwitch turns out to be Pip’s benefactor. A lot of people said what I though, Pip was confused by this man. As Jake Levin says, “Pip seems confused by this man at first, because he recognizes him even though there is not any discernible features of the man.” A lot of my peers agreed with Jake and so do I, Pip is terrified of this man who he can remember but can not seem to actually remember. This quote shows an internal conflict with Pip. Pip says he can remember the man, but he can only remember a little bit, and as for why he knows the man, he has no idea. Hannah Torres proposed an interesting comment. She said, “I found it interesting that even after all these years Pip still recognized the convict. I personally think it is because Pip was always scared of the convict and he always kept an image in his head.” This is interesting because I thought Pip just recognized the man, like a sense of deja vu. What Hannah said makes a lot more sense because this man traumatized Pip, so how could Pip forget this? I think this may be the best reason that Pip recognizes the convict. Katie Black brought up the last interesting point I would like to discuss. She said “I agree with Anahid Donoyan, that the use of foreshadowing may continue throughout the book. Pip remembering the convict was not shocking to me since he was so scared the first time he saw him.” Dickens uses foreshadowing throughout the book, especially through the character of the convict. We as readers see he will come back into play, but at this time in the story, it was not expected. Is Pip afraid of the convict? Is that why he remembered him after all those years?
I do not think pip is afraid of the convict himself, I think he is afraid of what the convict will make him do.
DeleteI believe that bringing back the convict shows how other characters may also come back into the story line along the way.
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DeleteI do not think Pip is afraid of the convict. I think that Pip is afraid that he might get in trouble for helping the convict. However, he has mixed emotions on how he feels about helping the convict since the convict helped him in return.
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DeleteI do not think that Pip is afraid of Magwitch, I believe that he is just shocked and disappointed that Miss Havisham was not his benefactor.
DeleteI agree with Katie and how Pip is not afraid of the convict himself he is more afraid of what he will have to do for the convict and what he will be forced to do to help him again. He has felt guilty ever since he was a boy and now Magwitch reappears.
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ReplyDelete“However this is not London talk. Where do you think I am going to” Chapter 32
I thought this quotes showed readers what Wemmick felt on the inside. He wants to leave where he is and move on. Wemmick has aspects of his life planned out but he can not accomplish what he has planned, so he is going to go somewhere where he can reach his goals. This quote can relate to the theme of moving on and looking forward. Wemmick wants to move on with his life and has expectations that he wants to meet, he believes that the only way he can do this is by moving and in a sense become free of where he is. Rachel Blustein says “Wemmick wants to leave London so he can live his picture perfect life” I agree with her, Wemmick wants to live a better life and in order to do this, in his views he must leave London. Hannah Torres asks a question that states “Do you think he will actually follow through with what he wants.” In my opinion I think Wemmick will leave, but he will not be able to stay away from London. I feel as if he has a connection and may get homesick after being away for a while. Wemmick wants to pursue his dreams and follow what he believes in. Most of the comments talk about how Wemmick wants to leave to live a better life, which is an idea that I agree with. However, I do not agree with the idea that Meda Reddy said “Wemmick does not like staying in London.” I believe that he likes life in London, but he wants to go further and in order to do do that he must move on. Do you think that Wemmick will be able to fulfil his dreams the way he wants, after he moves out of London?
here is a picture of my paper
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I think that Wemmick believes he could have a better life if he were to leave London. In my opinion I do not think Wemmick's life would change, he would just be happier.
DeleteI like the question Hannah Torres asked. I do not believe Wemmick will follow through on what he wants. I think he is too scared to move on and away from London.
DeleteI agree with Anahid on the fact that Wemmick likes life in london but feels trapped and needs more than what he can accomlish in London. He wants to go somewhere where he can reach his full potential.
DeleteI believe that Wemmick cannot find the freedom he desires in London, so he feels that leaving London would improve his life.
DeleteI agree with Rachel and Hannah that he will not move on to bigger and better things. I believe that it is from fear of failure. Wemmick is playing it safe and staying in London rather than taking a chance.
DeleteAs one of my responces on your paper, I drew a picture of Wemmick trapped in London. Fear is represented by the cage that holds him down in between the tall towers of London. However, his dreams soar above the cage and the buildings right out of London with an arrow representing his desire to move onto bigger and better things. I feel that this picture represents Wemmick's situation perfectly.
DeleteI also agree with Rachel. I think Wemmick would be happier if he moves because he doesn't like London at all.
Deletehttp://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/darley/9.html This is an image of Pip and the convict. By Rachel Blustein
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ReplyDelete“I consumed the whole time in thinking how strange it was that I should be encompassed by all this taint of prison and crime; that, in my childhood out on our lonely marshes on a winter evening I should have first encountered it; that, it should have reappeared on two occasions, starting out like a stain that was faded but not gone; that, it should in this new way pervade my fortune and advancement”Chapter 33
This quote at first confused me. I said in the activity that it symbolize =s himself as a stain that was faded, not gone, meaning that he may not always be there but he will never completely disappear. After receiving my paper back at the end I noticed that I had misinterpreted it. Zari had added something that made me think of the quote differently. She said “you could also see this quote as a moral that once you do something wrong it’ll stack with you on your conscious forever…. hence ‘a stain that was faded but not gone.”’ This made me see that the quote was not necessarily about him, but about how choices that he could have made or choices that others had made can affect him.
This quote can also explain the feelings that Pip had the day he met the convict on the marshes and how he may regret that decision. Another way this can be seen is that the convict may regret the fact that he forced Pip to do what he did.
The theme of constant guilt shows through this quote as well. Somehow throughout the whole novel Pip finds himself feeling guilty for doing or not doing something. This is shown through the quote because he says multiple times that “i should have” implying that if he went back he would have done something else.
One question based on my quote is: How would Pip’s life be different if he had never met the convict in the marshes that night?
Here are the links to the pictures of the paper that I had passed around.
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Pip's life would be totally different if he had never met the convict. He probably would not have a benefactor. Therefore he would not have gone to Miss Havisham and met Estella.
DeleteI agree if Pip had never met Mapgwitch he would not have beena a benefactor at all and would not need to go to Miss Havisham's. He would also never be guilty for it.
DeleteI don't know if Magwitch had anything to do with Pip going to see Miss Havisham, but if Pip had not met the convict his life would definitely be different. He would most likely be live at his home with Joe and Biddy for the rest of his life and would not meet some of his friends, like Wemmick and Herbert, who he only met because he was a gentleman.
DeleteI do not think that if Pip ever met Magwitch he would not have been a benefactor as he would not have visited Miss Havisham as much as he did. Also he would not be guilty of what he did.
DeleteI also agree if Pip never met Magwitch he would not have a benefactor and not go to Miss Havisham's.
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ReplyDeleteFor the passing notes activity, I was asked to pick any quote from the chapters 31-40. The quote I picked was from the first part of chapter 33. Pips is thinking about Estella and he says to himself: “In her furred travelling dress, Estella seemed more delicately beautiful than she had ever seemed yet, even in my eyes. Her manner was more winning than she had cared to let it be to me before, and i thought I saw Miss. Havisham’s influence in the change” (Dickens 156).
Pip sees Estella as even more beautiful now and at that moment he seems to forget how her heart is. She does not show love or affection towards men but she is stiff because of what Miss. Havisham has taught her. One of my favorite comments on my paper was Holly’s and Leah’s addition to her comment. Holly said that Miss. Havisham has made Estella to be that beautiful but cold hearted girl that she has grown up to become. Leah added that Estella is “just a piece in Miss Havisham’s game to seek revenge on all men”. I completely agree with this comment. Estella is not taken care of my Miss. Havisham because she loves her, but because Miss. Havisham wants to use a beautiful young lady as revenge for all men. Hannah T commented on my paper that Pip is too in love with Estella to see any of her flaws at the time being. I agree with Hannah and think that he does not see the bad influence Miss. Havisham has had on Estella and it goes right over his head. Zari also made a great comment on my paper saying that Miss. Havisham has taken Estella under her wing to protect her from a broken heart. At this point in Estella’s life, she should be her own person and have her own mindset. She should be focusing on achieving her life goal and possibly even finding a husband. However, Miss. Havisham’s influence over Estella has stopped her from reaching her full potential. Estella has not grown as a character because she has become a pawn in Miss. Havisham’s game of getting revenge on men. Being trapped under Miss. Havisham’s guidance has only caused Estella to become mean and without love. If Miss. Havisham was not there to influence Estella, would she still be as cold hearted as she is with Miss. Havisham’s guidance?
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I personally do not think that Estella would be as cold hearted if she had grown up with someone else. I think that Miss Havisham had such a strong influence that Estella would not wan to disappoint her.
DeleteI think that Estella would not be so cruel if it were not for Miss Havisham. She poses such a great influence on Estella. Miss Havisham being Estella's motherly figure is the only influence she has ever had and Miss Havisham adopted Estella, so for that 'kind' act I think Estella believes that she is in great debt to Miss Havisham. As well as Miss Havisham's behavior and hate towards men is one that is overbearing and hard not to ignore. So yes, I do believe that if it weren't for Miss Havisham Estella would be much kinder.
DeleteThe environment that children are raised in makes a huge impact on the outcome of the person. If Estella was nurtured and cared for then she may have turned out more loving and open, but since Miss Havisham seemed to forget that she needs to give her child love Estella shut people out and became cold hearted.
DeleteI do not believe that Estella would be cold hearted if she was raised by another person because Miss Havisham wanted to teach Estella her way of life and that Estella does not want to be a disappointment to Miss Havisham is to why she follows what Miss Havisham says.
DeleteI agree with Hannah, on how Estella would not have been as cold as she is, if she haddn't grown up with the influence of Miss Havisham. Miss Havisham raised Estella to break hearts, and that is why Estella is so cold.
DeleteFor the passing notes assignment I had to find a quote from chapter 37. I choose the quote “A great event in my life, the turning point of my life, now opens on my views. But, before I proceed to narrate it, and before I pass on to all the changes it involved, I must give one chapter to Estella.”. In my opinion this quote states just how important Estella is to Pip and that he would devote an entire chapter of his life fully to her. One question that was asked about the quote was “Do you think that Pip will ever get over Estella”(LR) I believe that Pip will never truly get over Estella, however one could make an argument supporting the idea that Pip can get over Estella, one such argument is “It’s hard to say Pip loved Estella in the first place, sure he admired her beauty and how unattainable she was, but is that truly love? Pip finds his time around Estella awful, as he waits for something in return for his loyalty to her. It’s easy to want what you can’t have, but I think that Pip could be able to move on from the very selfish and unloving person that is Estella.”(SS) In my opinion this is a very strong opinion with some very strong evidence to support it, however I wouldn’t describe Estella as “selfish and unloving” because she is only acting the way she was taught to by Miss Havisham, and as she grows more used to Pip’s presence, she does begin to open up to him, also ever since Pip met Estell she has been on his mind, if he truly does not love he why would he spend so much time thinking about her and why must he “give one chapter to Estella”.
ReplyDeleteI thought that the note passing activity was a very effective way of reviewing the ten chapters that we had read. I was given a sheet that wanted me to pick a quote from any of the chapters that we had read. So, I picked the letter that Pip received from Estella. It read “I am to come to London the day after to-morrow by the mid-day coach. I believe that it was settled you should meet me? At all events Miss Havisham has that impression, and I write in obedience to it. She sends you her regard. - Yours, Estella”(Steinbeck 203) I believe that this quote shows a colder side of Estella. One comment that highlighted this was by Melissa. “Seems Estella has no desire to see Pip she is only following orders from Miss Havisham. However I do not think Pip sees this, he is telling himself Estella actually wants to see him.” Many people seemed to agree with this comment and I think that Melissa really depicted Estella ‘s tone and her feelings. Mrs. Colando talked about the tone of my quote in her comment. She wrote “The tone of this note from Estella and Pip is interesting. It seems rather cold, unfeeling and matter of fact.” I believe that the letter forms a different side to Estella. However, there is not much more to expect from someone that grew up with Miss Havisham influencing their every move. Miss Havisham basically shows Estella every day that all men are terrible. I honestly do not think that you can blame Estella for being the way that she is,it was all she had growing up. One question that I had after reading this letter is, do you think Estella ever actually liked Pip? And if she did, do you think that Miss Havisham discouraged her from this? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5i_wdKwRnHdNEo3eXY3T284MU8yVGJFaGRDMVlxRE95Vjg4https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5i_wdKwRnHdQlB4UldvMjZLaWJxU1h2ZHZLNzRGM0YtdEMw
ReplyDeleteI think that Estella may have actually liked him but she never admitted it to him or to herself. I think this may be true because Estella tells Pip that she treats him differently from all of her other admirers because she does not "deceive him." However this could also mean that she does not "deceive him" because she really does not like him at all. I think Miss Havisham discouraged all feelings of love and affection in Estella from a very young age. Estella tells Pip that "I must warn you, I have no heart" although Pip denies this statement, from what I've read, it's seems to be pretty much the truth.
DeleteBased on the past experiences of the novel (especially how Estella acts), I believe that Estella did not really write the letter from her own free will, nor was the trip made that was talked about in the letter. Havisham is pulling at the strings for Estella, and Havisham made Estella seem cold on purpose. That is at least, my theory.
DeleteThe quote that I used in the passing notes activity was “Not a particle of evidence, Pip,” Said Mr. Jaggers, shaking his head and gathering up his skirts.”Take nothing of its looks; take everything on evidence. There’s no better rule.”(Dickens 262) My personal comment to this quote was that Jaggers is trying to tell Pip that there is not a “particle of evidence” that said that Mrs. Havisham is Pip’s mysterious benefactor, but that Magwitch is. Jaggers is also saying that Pip should judge based on evidence, not looks. Sarah Hobin agrees with Mr. Jaggers, and she says “I agree with Mr. Jaggers because it is what is in the inside that counts. Personality, Morals and values are more important than looks” I agree with Mr. Jaggers as well, because assumptions can not be made based off of looks. Hannah Torrez however disagrees with Sarah Hobin, saying that she “Does not 100% agree with Mr. Jaggers. I believe that evidence can not always tell you everything about somebody”. Mr. Jaggers said that anything should be judged by evidence, not that everything could be known from evidence. Evidence tells more about a person than looks. Virak Pond-Tor brought up an interesting point when he said “Maybe the reason Pip is judging Magwitch is because he can only see him as a convict and nothing else.” This is an interesting point because Pip looks at Magwitch and only sees the convict that forced him to give him food, which was a traumatic experience in his life. Mrs. Colando’s comment was also interesting, when she pointed out that Jaggers is a lawyer, which is why he cares so much about evidence. This may be a reason that Jaggers looks at evidence so seriously, but I do not think that is his reason for giving this advice to Pip. Mrs. Colando also pointed out that Pip now completely understands that Havisham is not his benefactor. Melissa Murphy pointed out that Jaggers’ advice may be an underlying theme of the story, as it is also shown in other areas of the book. I agree that this is probably a theme in the story. I see character development in this quote, as Pip learns about his benefactor, as well as learns a valuable life lesson. As Melissa said, the theme of this quote, and an underlying theme of the entire story is “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover”. This theme basically means that details and evidence matter more than looks. A conflict that is shown in this quote is internal, with Pip being heartbroken that Havisham was not his benefactor, and that Pip was not to marry Estella. I do not believe that the setting has any significance pertaining to the quote. My question about this quote is this: do you think that a situation that has to do with this theme will come up eventually in the story? This link goes to the sparknotes page for Great Expectations. What I would like you to do is to compare it to the actual chapters and say whether or not all of the information in the chapters can be displayed using the little information that Sparknotes gives. This will show you that evidence matters.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sparknotes.com/lit/greatex/section11.rhtml
A Different Way to Review
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed doing the passing notes assignment. My original paper had the quote
‘It was fine summer weather again, and, as I walked along, the times when I was a little helpless creature, and my sister did not spare me, vividly returned. But they returned with a gentle tone upon them that softened even the edge of Tickler. For now, the very breath of the beans and clover whispered to my heart that the day must come when it would be well for my memory that others walking in the sunshine should be softened as they thought of me.” (Chapter 35)
This quote was about Pip thinking about his sister following her death and how he grew up. I had drawn a picture relating to the quote’s imagery. I asked the question for my readers:
“Do you think in some way Pip is thankful for his sister and the way she “brought him up by hand”?”
On my paper, Steven said that Pip is now appreciating everything his sister has done for him and now seeing the better side of his once unfortunate situation. The internal conflict Pip is undergoing right now is that he is feeling sentimental and feels bad that he didn’t get to appreciate her raising him. I think a theme prevalent in this quote is that you need to appreciate what you do have because it could be gone at any moment. This also goes along with the theme of materialism we have been focusing on in class because of our Common Task. If you focus on always wanting a new ‘material’ thing you will lose what you do have that may be important to you.
I also found what Sarah Sylvia commented very interesting. She said:
“The terrible memories of his sister’s harsh words and tantrums fade and soften with her passing. The wishes to remember her differently than as a cruel substitute.”
I really like the way you described this Sarah. You make a great connection to how Pip is feeling and perfectly explains the internal conflict he is enduring. Do you think Pip would feel this strongly about his sister if she hadn’t died so soon?
This link is of two students passing notes!
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Thank you so much! I also really enjoyed reading the comment you left on my paper. I think that Pip may have not felt as strongly about his sister's death if she hadn't died so soon because he would not have been so shocked if she passed at an old age. I think the shock makes Pip realize how fragile his life is, and this shock translates into sadness, and ultimately creates the desire within him to think of his sister as a better person than most people would view her as. Also, her death occurs at a rough point in his life (trying to figure out Estella, pay debts etc.), which may have also influenced his emotions.
DeleteWhile Pip seems to look back at the times spent with his sister with a much more understanding eye, I believe that Pip still does have some hard feelings pertaining to his sister. There were some times in that chapter where he mentioned that he was relieved in a way.
DeleteI feel that Pip looks back, and thinks about the harsh times his sister gave him. But he realizes that it was to make him grow up strong, and now, after her death, he admires that.
DeleteMY QUOTE: “Miss Havisham’s intentions towards me, all a mere dream; Estella not designed for me; I only suffered in Satis House as a convenience, a sting for the greedy relations, a model with a mechanical heart to practise on when no other practice was at hand; those were the first smarts I had.” (This quote can be found in context in chapter 39, around page 298)
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This quote narrates Pip’s thoughts when he discovers that Magwitch (Pip’s convict) acted as Pip’s benefactor. Although Mr. Jaggers declared that Pip would not know his benefactor, Pip became certain that Miss Havisham was responsible for his gentleman-status, and the events that transpired over the many years to come only reinforced this belief. Pip expected to marry Estella and gain her approval: all he truly ever desired. Instead, he feels as though he wasted his time at Miss Havisham’s, as she fooled him into thinking he would receive Estella’s hand in marriage in return for visiting her so often as a child. Many comments on this quote analyzed Pip’s perspective on the shocking situation, but Alicia examined it from Miss Havisham’s point of view. She thinks that “(Miss Havisham leading Pip on to believe that he would marry Estella) is Miss Havisham’s way of getting back at the events of her wedding day.” I completely agree that Miss Havisham attempted to shape Pip’s desires and values, only to watch him come crashing down off of the pedestal she pretended to place him on as a form of revenge. She may have also felt compelled to inflict the same pain she endured on another as an explanation for her madness. In my opinion, this plot for revenge (although insane), is also very intelligent and well-executed when observing it in its entirety. Zari also analyzed that “not only (would Miss Havisham) use Estella as a young child but Pip for her sick revenge on the male sex.” I find it interesting how both Magwitch and Miss Havisham attempt to shape Estella and Pip into perfect people, but end up ruining their perspective on both life and love as a result. Hannah provided insight directly from Pip’s perspective by stating that “I cannot disagree with Pip for being frustrated. If I were him, I would be disgusted to find out that after all of his suffering with Miss Havisham was for nothing.” This perspective stood out to me because as a reader and a person, it takes a lot to observe a situation from someone else’s point of view, and I think Hannah achieved this through this statement.
Through this quote, the author shows how Pip experiences change. Pip’s relationship with Estella and Miss Havisham will now be both altered and damaged, to a degree. More notably, Pip’s expectations become completely altered in that he thought he would receive the opportunity to marry the love of his life, but instead he is left with wealth and a new life and no one to share it with. In recent chapters, Pip felt especially depressed, and this just worsens his emotional well-being. Additionally, Pip may experience a conflict within himself for now he does not know what his life holds, but before, he planned seemed to have planned out everything in his mind. As I previously mentioned, Pip’s relationship with Estella and Miss Havisham becomes damaged through this realization, as he feels a sense of betrayal from both Estella and Miss Havisham, which is an example of an external conflict. I think that Dickens promotes a theme of selfishness in his characters. Miss Havisham of course, is selfish for using both Pip and Estella as a way to inflict revenge on the male sex, without taking into account the actual lives that she ruins through this plan. Pip is selfish for being so concerned with his own affairs, even after his benefactor, although not who he expected, sacrificed so much for him. Estella pays not a single thought or word to those who deeply admire her, and she also leads others on, as Miss Havisham does. In conclusion, I think this quote illustrates a major internal change in Pip, especially in his expectations.
ReplyDeleteMY QUESTION: Although this quote is technically all one sentence, it is very scattered and states many different ideas. What is the effect of Dickens's use of punctuation (or lack thereof) in this quote?
ESTELLA IN THE GREAT EXPECTATIONS MOVIE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNwF7n0wEFM
I believe that his (Dickens) constant use of semicolons could be for which it is usually used for. A semicolon is used when two independent clauses related in thought are linked. It's when Pip is starting to realize and he's thinking of how he's been used and where the thought could've stopped, it continues on. Sort of a pause in between the pain of awareness, where he stops at a thought but continues on. Similar to the Havisham poem where sentences sort of stop in the middle and pick up again as sort of a continuous rant on thought.
DeleteI agree with Alicia. The quote being scattered represents Pips thoughts and how he's trying to piece everything together. Everything is coming to his mind at once and the semicolons show the franticness of it.
DeleteI agree with both Alicia and Leah about the semicolons. Dickens could have also used the punctuation this way to show how frantic he is and that he's not thinking clearly and rationally. It's like as if his mind is rambling on.
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ReplyDeleteFrom the Great Expectations passing notes activity I was given the quote, “Look’ee here, Pip. I’m your second father. You’re my son-more to me nor any son. I’ve put away money, only for you to spend” (Dickens 295). This is the part of the story where Pip is introduced to his benefactor who goes by the name Magwitch. Rachel was one of the first comments to notice that after Pip realizes that Magwitch is his benefactor his assumptions about Estella and Miss Havisham are all wrong. He thought that Miss Havisham was his benefactor and intended for him to marry Estella, and that Estella was just playing hard to get. But to his disappointment his expectations were all laid to waste. I also noticed from the beginning that there could have possibly been foreshadowing when Pip decided to help the convict, or more pressured into helping the convict, and these actions were to hint to later, when Magwitch works for money in order for Pip to spend it. As if it could possibly be his way of returning a favor. At first I thought Magwitch’s intentions were pure in giving his money to Pip as he says these phrases of Pip being his son and such. But Mourad brings up a good point that Magwitch has materialistic views and you can tell so because he gives back to Pip with money and with hopes for him to spend it. He does say that he wants Pip to have a better life and intends for him to become rich. Even so, he never tells Pip to save and as we already know Pip likes to spend his money and he is in debt so there would be no way for him to be rich if he never saves. Mourad's comment does show a character change within Magwitch and Pip, we see that Magwitch does change physically with him being a convict and transitioning to a working man with cash to back him up. Pip changes mentally with his becoming of a gentleman and gaining riches from Magwitch. We see him act ashamed of who he was and he isolates himself from Joe and alienates him. He also shows materialistic behaviors as he drives himself into debt and yet tries to consume more products to what he thinks is his benefit. Rachel’s comment does show that after Pip realizes that his assumptions were incorrect it opens up to internal conflict within Pip. Where his expectations are ruined and he’s stuck in denial from heartbreak where even when he is faced with the truth he refuses to believe it to be true. A question I’d like to state is, do you think Magwitch’s views upon being Pip’s benefactor are intentions from the heart or one that’s materialistic?
*Forgive me if any names are spelt wrong.
Here is a website that discusses if Magwitch is a father figure:
http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/dickens/ge/santoro6.html
In a way, I think Magwitch's intentions of being Pip's benefactor are from the heart. Pip did help him at a time of need even though it ended not as planned
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ReplyDeleteMy quote was, “There was a gay fiction among us that we were constantly enjoying ourselves, and a skeleton truth we never did. To the best of my belief, our case was in the last aspect a rather common one.” My first interpretation of the quote was that Pip and Herbert were never enjoying themselves even though they said that they weren’t. The quote clearly says “There was a gay fiction…” which means that they were just acting happy or they just thought that they were enjoying themselves but then the quote says, “...a skeleton truth we never did.” meaning that they never did enjoy themselves and it was just a lie. Leah then asked a question that related to Herbert and his problems. She asked, “Do you think Herbert is more or less happy now that he likes to spend money due to Pip?” At first I didn't understand what she was asking but when I looked at responses I noticed. My answer to her question along with a few other people was that he is happy for the time being. Then after a while Herbert and Pip fall into debt because they are so contempt on them buying things that they become unhappy because of their common problem of falling into materialism. Then I believe that they try to be happy by buying things and act like they are enjoying it but in reality they really aren't and it turns out into a “gay fiction”. There is a conflict here and the conflict is an internal conflict. It is a conflict internally for Herbert and Pip they are both running into debt because of their needs for spending and not being happy or enjoying themselves. I think the theme here is materialism and that since they are not enjoying themselves they keep on buying things but do not end up being happy. Many people did have a different interpretation and the quote so my question would be, what do you think the term gay fiction has to deal with Pip and Herbert in the quote?
This is an analysis on Herbert and Pip http://www.shmoop.com/great-expectations/herbert-pocket.html
Passing Notes
ReplyDelete“Mother by adoption, I have said that I owe everything to you. All I possess is freely yours. All that you have given me is at your command to have again. Beyond that, I have nothing. And if you ask me to give you what you never gave me, my gratitude and duty cannot do impossibilities”(Dickens 239). This statement was made by Estella when she and Miss Havisham were fighting with each other, which is something that they rarely do. I believe that this reveals some insight into Estella’s true feelings towards Miss Havisham. She refers to her as “Mother by adoption”, which indicates that she doesn’t think of her as her true mother. Leah Ragosta said that when Estella called her that “you can see that Estella really doesn’t have any feelings of love. This is because she was brought up without love.” In the remark made by Estella she says that it would be impossible to give what Miss Havisham game to her. She can give back everything that she she owns, besides love because she was brought up without it, as Leah said. This may foreshadow some sort of external conflict between Miss Havisham and Estella in the near future. This was one of the first times in the book (if not the only time) where Miss Havisham and Estella fight with each other and it was about love, so I believe that later in the book we will see some more disagreements between them about their relationship. Sarah Sylia looked at this in a way that I didn’t think of. She says that “Estella may feel like another piece in Miss Havisham’s game to wreak revenge on men. The reason Miss Havisham gave her so many jewels and bought her wonderful dresses was because her beauty would help in her plan.” Sarah says that Estella feels like the only reason Miss Havisham keeps her around and pampers her is because she needs her in order to fulfill her schemes. This helps to develop the characters Miss Havisham and Estella even more. It shows how determined and insane Miss Havisham is to use a little girl as her pawn and drag her into her own personal problems and it also shows that Estella may actually have feelings. When she is talking with Miss Havisham she sounds like all she wanted was love, but Miss Havisham was too caught up with revenge to give it to her. This may be the reason why Estella is so cold-hearted. Estella seems to know everything about Miss Havisham from her past experiences to her future goals for havoc. She is also fully conscious of the fact that she may just be a measly piece in Miss Havisham’s big game, but do you think she enjoys that? Do you think that Estella actually wants to help Miss Havisham get revenge on men or do you think she is only playing her part because Miss Havisham is her “mother”?
Front side of paper: https://drive.google.com/a/cpsed.net/file/d/0B39xR3or1TyaQmtBS0UtdTg4N1VwUXZwd0duQVlmb3Bhbk40/view?usp=sharing
Back side: https://drive.google.com/a/cpsed.net/file/d/0B39xR3or1TyaN3libFF3VExXWkFRdnIwcXpqY3VCbUttWnJJ/view?usp=sharing
I like how you said that the nickname Estella gives Miss Havisham could show that she doesn't love her like a real mother. I agree with this because I feel Estella could be separating more from Miss Havisham now that she is getting older.
DeleteI think Miss Havisham is trying to relive her life through Estella, and needs Estella to be loyal for the man she once loved was not.
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“ From this last speech I derived the notion that Miss Havisham for some reason or no reason, had not taken him into her confidence as to her designing me for Estella; that he resented this, and felt a jealousy about it; or that he really did object to that scheme and would have nothing to do with it (Dickens 227).”I think this quote shows that Pip believes that he was designed and made for Estella by Miss Havisham and believes that she is his benefactor, but then is blinded by the assumptions that he doesn’t know something. As Steven Amaral and many of our peers agreed as well he said “ Mr. Jaggers is not jealous of Pip. There is something about Estella that Pip is not aware of.” As he also asked the question “Do you think Estella ever felt any love towards Pip.” In my opinion is no she had never liked Pip, but she lead him on and I believe Miss Havisham only used Pip to teach Estella a lesson about men. Also, we do not really understand the point of view of Estella because it is mostly told in Pip’s point of view. A good point was made Leah Ragosta as she said that “ I think this is just what Pip is thinking that everyone wants to be be with Estella, so he thinks that Mr. Jaggers is jealous of Pip when in fact he is just stating his opinion.” I agree with this statement because I believe that he thinks that he has a closer relationship with Estella than any other man, but is too blinded of his assumptions that he made. Katie Blake said “ He assumes that Estella loves him and that they are meant to be married because he thinks that Miss Havisham is his benefactor.” I agree with this because soon after he realizes that this was sort of a game for Pip as Miss Havisham wanted to just use him as a toy and now that he thinks about he is now dumbfounded. Do you think that Estella has the same love for Pip as he does for Estella in order for them to be married?
Here is a picture of my paper:
https://drive.google.com/a/cpsed.net/file/d/0B3mfR7QrPWNfWFFKYzZNOUNlVHZmbHh2NGh0WmVQVTV5Q0V3/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/a/cpsed.net/file/d/0B3mfR7QrPWNfR1pROV84dWJwNmhZZ2FhaGQ4VFFuNW91TVFR/view?usp=sharing
I agree with you that Pip has the closest relationship with Estella then any other man does in the novel. This might be an important part of the book.
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ReplyDeleteQuote: “If the wind and the rain had driven away the intervening years, had scattered all the intervening objects, had swept us to the churchyard where we first stood face to face on such different levels, I could not have known my convict more distinctly than I knew him now, as he sat in the chair before the fire” (Dickens 248). First, before I go onto other people’s comments, I said, “What Pip is trying to say is that at the time when he met his convict, he did not really know his convict, but now as he is here, he can get an understanding and know more about him.” Now, Leah added on and said “I agree that Pip has a different perspective on Magwitch now that he knows he is his benefactor. He sees him as a caring and generous man and not cruel and violent.” I definitely agree with her, Pip has changed his perspective on Abel. Rachel said, “This quote describes Pip’s feelings for when he first found out who Magwitch is. He sees that Magwitch isn’t the cruel person he always thought of him to be, and Pip feels he knows the convict much better.” I also agree with Rachel on this, because at first Pip felt that the convict was not a good man, entirely, but now since he knows, he feels more safe and got to know him. Pip probably now has a different opinion on Magwitch, and he also learns to view people in a better way until he gets to know them more. The theme of the quote, to me, was that you never really know someone until you get to know them. They were by the fireplace, in Herbert and Pip’s home. Why do you think the author chose to lead that sentence with Pip talking about the years in between then and now, being driven away and bring them back to the time they knew before?
Link: http://bit.ly/1V9ssKU
I definitely agree with the theme that you stated because at first Pip thought Magwitch was threatening and violent and that's why he was scared of him. Now that he knows he's his benefactor, Pip sees him as generous and caring.
DeleteI agree with Leah, now that Pip knows what the convict has done for him he definitely sees him differently.
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My Quote “For an hour or more, I remained too stunned to think; and it was not until I began to think,that I began fully to know how wrecked I was, and how the ship in which I had sailed was gone to pieces”(Dickens 312)
This quote shows how astonished and disappointed Pip is about the convict being his benefactor. After Pip begins to get over his shock he falls into a depression realizing that Miss Havisham had nothing to do with Pip becoming a gentleman and that Estella and him were never meant to be. A comment from Alicia shows how literary devices are used to show Pips emotions. The metaphor of a sinking ship signifies “how he feels inside after being beared the news, and when realizations of his dreams to be untrue hit” In my opinion the quote forms a theme or message of “Don’t be too hopeful and expect the everything to go the way you planned.” Pip believed the obvious that Miss Havisham was his benefactor which wasn’t really his fault. On the other hand Pip kept hoping that somehow Estella and him would be together even though she showed him no signs of affection and was cruel to him throughout the course of the story. Pip expected everything to work out for him and that he would marry Estella because of Miss Havisham but in the end it didn’t go that way. This lead Pip to be unhappy with his life even though this man devoted everything to him. Pip could’ve lived a happy life as a gentleman if he wasn’t so hung up on the idea of him being with Estella. This quote also shows an internal conflict with Pip. He is very upset and confused at the news he just heard and what it means to him. He is reflecting on everything in his life and thinking whether he should’ve stayed home and become an apprentice to Joe. Pip is very emotional and upset with himself that he wasted his life and got his hopes up for someone he can’t be with. The setting Pip being inside during a storm contributes to the disappointment of Pip when he finds out his benefactor is the convict. Also the rain and the wind go along with the image of a wrecked ship to show the whole picture of Pip’s emotions. My questions is “ Overall do you think that Pip becoming a gentleman made him happy?” and “Do you think that Pip will ever find a way to somewhat move on from Estella?”
This is a link to my paper. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-HNv5Ez7fG3p4vV4WN1iCG7qT8IHGJrxKV9V1Nqtp38/e
“Passing Notes with Great Expectations”
ReplyDelete“Do you want me then,” said Estella, turning suddenly with a fixed and serious, not angry, look, “to deceive and entrap you?”(Steinbeck 39) page 311. To start, I would like to state a point that was brought up multiple times on my paper. The point was that Estella was raised by Miss Havisham to “despise” and “think lowly” of men. Miss Havisham taught her to treat men the way she treats men. Estella was shut out from the real world causing her to only receive thoughts about men from Miss Havisham. To add, a comment that I found very interesting was by Zari. She stated how Estella will never be able to find a man and be happy with him because she doesn't know how to treat men. Zari also stated that if Miss Havisham was convinced that all men are not awful, Estella would treat Pip and many other men with respect. Another point that I found interesting was by Virak. He stated that he believes Estella takes pleasure in tormenting her admirers. After thinking about this I believe this is very true because of the points Zari brought up. If she was taught to treat men terribly, she might not realize that it is wrong. A final point that caught me was written by Alicia. She stated how teaching Estella to think badly of men is a second attempt to show her revenge towards men and to express her hate towards them as well. Overall everybody's comments together explained the quote very well, and helped me get a better understanding of it. This quote shows the character development of Estella, and shows that she is flat because she shows one true emotion towards men throughout the novel.
Here is a link to a cartoon representing the quote http://media1.shmoop.com/media/covers/literature/Character_MissHavisham_GreatExpactations.png
I think Estella is a bit confusing. At times she leads Pip on such as letting him kiss her and wanting his attention. Now, she is saying she will not make him think she likes him because she does not.
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ReplyDeleteI had a lot of fun doing the passing notes activity. It gave me an opportunity to see other people's perspectives on a quote. My quote was “And so so she presently said ‘Joe’ again, and once ‘Pardon,’ and once ‘Pip.’ And so she never lifted her head up any more, and it was just an hour later when we laid it down on her own, bed, because we found she was gone.” I had another quote which was “By degrees she led me into more temperate talk, and she told me how Joe loved me, and how Joe never complained of anything-she didn’t say, of me; she had no need; I knew what she meant - but ever did his duty in his way of life, with a strong hand, a quiet tongue, and a gentle heart. My interpretation of the first quote and many others thought was that knowing that Mrs. Joe was gone was hard for Joe. I think in the second quote Pip thinks that Joe no longer loves him. Unfortunately, there is no initials of who said this but, someone said “I wonder if her last words were somewhat of an apology to Pip and like others, I also found this interesting. Maybe his sister finally realizes how cruel she was towards him or the only reason she was so mean was for his own good. She might have thought the only way Pip would become a good man is if he’s brought up with “discipline. and by being very strict” I don’t think there’s a particular quote but it could be “you never know the value of someone until they are gone.” When Mrs. Joe was alive Pip didn’t like her because of the way she treated her but now that she’s gone he misses her. Mrs. Joe never apologised to Pip for her actions or behavior toward him, she tries to apologise right when she was about to die. I don’t think Pip will change a lot fro his sister’s passing because he was never really close with her, he was mostly scared by her. How do you think Joe will “take care” of Pip now that Mrs. Joe is gone?
Passing Notes
ReplyDelete“ I cautioned him that I must hear no more of that; that he was not at all likely to obtain a pardon; that he was expatriated for the term of his natural life; and that his presenting himself in this country would be an act of felony, rendering him liable to the extreme penalty of the law.” I feel that Pip has grown up and is now gentlemen and he sees himself as a man who has bigger responsibilities; and that he is almost better than the convict. It seems to me that Pip no longer as grateful for the money as he would have been if Miss Havisham was his benefactor considering he would have been closer to Estella. Most of the comments were related to pip being glum about the fact that his chances with Estella are even slimmer than before and it seems that the convict is just cast aside, and that Pip is just completely forgetting what this man has done for him. I mean if it wasn't for the convict Pip would still be a poor boy.
Here is the link to my passing notes sheet:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_h8gdf4yP7UcEVXZURON005cmc
the quote that i used was “to my thinking, there was something about him that made it hopeless to attempt to disguise him”. i think that this quote is pip realizing that he cannot hide the convict, and it is also him planning a way for him to keep the convict in the house without hiding him. something that someone said on my paper was “it seems as though pip does not want to help the convict”(E.V.R). i disagree with this because pip feels as though he needs to repay the convict for giving him the money to get where he is, and giving him a home is part of that. this quote definitely shows character developement of pip because earlier in the story he does not feel obliged, the only reason for his helping the convict in the first place was fear. it shows how he has learned throughout the story how these people have helped him, and he now knows that he must pay them back. a theme in this book could be how pip changes throughout his life, and how that affects his life. this quote definitely shows how pip has become a better person, helping people that have helped him. this definitely shows the theme of how he has changed because in the beginning of the book, pip would not have done the things that he does now. a conflict in this book could be pip’s and the convict’s relationship throughout the story, and this quote definitely shows development in their relationship. this quote bears some semblance to the setting, because it shows that the convict has travelled all that way just to see pip and thank him, and inform him that he was his benefactor.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/g/great-expectations/character-analysis/magwitch
In the Passing Notes Activity for Chapters 31-40 of Great Expectations, I was given the task of selecting a quote from chapter 31. The quote I have chosen is, “miserably I went to bed after all, and miserably thought of Estella, and miserably dreamed that my expectations were all cancelled, and that I had to give my hand in marriage to Herbert’s Clara, or play Hamlet to Miss Havisham’s Ghost, before 20,000 people, without knowing 20 words of it.” (Dickens 273). I mainly selected this quote to see my classmates thoughts on this quote for I had a difficult time deciphering it. Several people, such as Zari, said, “Pip is torn between what he wants and what he is told to do.” I can see how people would interpret the quote that way, however, what is he really told to do and by who? A question was asked, “What do you think Pip means by ‘his expectations being cancelled’ “ and “...play Hamlet to Miss Havisham’s ghost before 20,000 people, without knowing 20 words of it.’” I believe this to mean all Pip has hoped and dreamed for, he realizes will never come true and feels he is living in a nightmare, much like the nightmare of forgetting the words to a play in front of a lot of people. This quote shows a character change, in the mental thoughts of Pip. He know is giving up hope on the life he wishes he had. A theme that could be taken from this quote is the theme that things do no always work out as they are planned/ hoped. Along with character change it shows an internal conflict within Pip, in that he is unhappy and describes himself as miserable. There is not much significance of the setting from this quote. After all the evaluation I question, if Pip seems to be miserable try to achieve the expectations he has for himself, and is miserable when he has to face his true expectations, what will it take for Pip to be satisfied with his life? I found a quote about miserable people, and I thought it fit Pip. Although he does care about people, he does not see other perspectives and gives himself blind hope. http://thedailyquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/the-most-miserable-people-life-daily-quotes-sayings-pictures-1.jpg
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